60maniac

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So,  I'm back again!

I started work on this on the back end of last year,

 

Based in a 12'x 6' shed, I insulated it all and sealed it from pesky wasps. 

 

Then set about fitting some lights

I then built the lower frame out of 2"x2" timber, topped off with the back of some old shelving units and then some 6mm MDF on top of that to finish the job.

I've popped another level on and splashed out on some new track, some foam ramps and some track pins.. which leaves us with this... 

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Off to Warley next weekend for some scenery inspiration and some bargains! 

 

Should be posting more regularly now ( he says ha ha) 

 

 

Keep on chuffin'! 

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Nope  sorry  don't believe yez . . . that's not a modelling shed . . . far to tidy !!! :) (:

Cheers

   Matt

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Yeah ....... Where is the compulsory mess. Geez....... How do you do it.:D looks really good. Looking forward to seeingwhat your gonna do with this.

cheers :cheers:

toto

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Cheers guys!

 

Yeah, I'm a bit of an OCD nut and everything has to have a place lol

 

The weathers turning now but I have been down the shed today to try some new locos I got at Warley yesterday! 

I haven't been to the exhibitions for over 10 years. It was enjoyable and certainly got some inspiration from the layouts there.

 

I've noticed since I put up the second layer some of the MDF is bowing slightly ( probably the temperature changing) and my lack of underpinning! So for now I'm going to leave it as a blank canvas and in the spring look at toughing it all up. It's all screwed together so it'll all come apart easily.

 

Over this cold patch I'm going to devise a thorough plan of how I want it to be like and what kind of scenery I want to develop, I may also look at the possibility of making it removable for the purposes of exhibition!

 

 

For now,

 

60maniac 

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I think if it is starting to bow already, I would be tempted to change it out for 9mm ply and seal it with varnish. As you say, it maybe subject to too much of a variation in temperatures. I don't think MDF is too keen on that.

will you be using any track planning software. I use Anyrail myself which after the usual learning curve, have found it really good.

keep us up to date with your plans and progress. An exciting phase you are going into.

cheers

toto

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I've used 6mm MDF so far, I've used 9mm marine ply before and it kept splintering when drilled and was a bit brittle for my liking.

I think the only reason it's bowing like it is, is because I've not properly battened it down. It's something I will rectify but not until the climate changes! 

The top boards pictured were really a test to see if I could get it all to work properly, still not quite happy with the ramps and might look at other ways of using them...

 

I've used Anyrail before and found it quite intuitive once I'd worked it all out . I think I'll treat myself for Christmas the full version and work out a plan from what I've seen on other layouts.

 

 

As a side note, Toto ( the band!) are awesome :thumbsup: 

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From what I can see in the Photo, If its the top layer that's bowing then yup you need to frame it out to support the mdf as it will sag if not supported.  If the bottom boards are showing signs of sagging it could be the weight of the top deck so make sure the top deck supports are OVER the bottom deck supports so the weight is transferred right through to the floor. Looking forward to seeing what track plan you come up with  :thumbsup:

Cheers

   Matt

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The floor the shed sits on isn't at a true level ( which is great ! ) but the bottom boards are still true when I checked earlier.

 

Like I said before, it was merely a test to see whether I could work with it all and it's becoming a bit of a pain as the ramps are causing everything to come flying off! ( even at gentle speeds)

 

So I might put them to better use with another idea I've had :) 

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So progress ( kinda!)

 

The saggy boards were annoying me a little, I had a bit of a think and due to the grade the risers are at,  I'd experiment without the top layer.

 

Everything kept derailing anyway so we now have this:

 

 

 

I've kept 2 "upper" boards and uno ramp. Mainly because I think they make good scenic breaks ( I intend to only detail one side )

 

The side which has track everywhere will be a storage area mainly to save me having to pack everything away all the time.

 

With this design (when its fully laid) will allow 2 complete loops.

 

I haven't planted it yet but on the far right will be a two lane diesel shed .

 

The theory being, a train comes off the main through the "inner" loop and can run round. Thus the loco can return the depot. That's the theory anyway! 

 

I do have somewhere in the shed the complete Skaledale gas works and this will sit on the far higher board, the ramp will allow rail access to this ..

 

 

What down at the moment is only to place things, got to test it all and shorten some bits of track around what will be the "portals".

 

 

I'll keep you posted! 

 

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Hi 60maniac

Did you have transitions at both ends of the grade.

Just like transition's on  curves you should also have transitions on grades

In fact on grades if you don't have them you can end up with all sorts of problems loco's getting hung up on the grade start or finish derailments are also a possibility.

It may just be down to the bench to not being properly fixed yet that could be having fun with you as well.

Just a thought or two 

regards John

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Looks more open now and I like the raised area at one end , looking forward to see what plan you finally go for. Looks like you will end up with my ideal layout,  loops for just running, storage sidings and shunting potential and some good areas for scenics.     Cheers.    Matt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi 60maniac

Did you have transitions at both ends of the grade.

Just like transition's on  curves you should also have transitions on grades

In fact on grades if you don't have them you can end up with all sorts of problems loco's getting hung up on the grade start or finish derailments are also a possibility.

It may just be down to the bench to not being properly fixed yet that could be having fun with you as well.

Just a thought or two 

regards John

Hi John, 

Thanks for the comments. 

I had built up the corners at the base of the grade but the sheer weight of the stock kept causing the couplings to ride over each other.

I suspect with N Gauge it wouldn't be an issue because the grade would be halved as such.

 

 

 

Will be down the shed today once I've done the final bits of Xmas shopping!

 

Going to tidy the track up, wire it up make sure it all works properly. 

Still not properly thought about the top board and the track configuration. 

 

I'll have a play and see what I can fathom!

 

Thanks again for the positive comments.

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Hi 60maniac

In N scale it would still be a problem all that would happen is the dimensions are very roughly halved.

If the couplings are riding up over each other that sounds like a transition problem.

The transition from grade to flat at the bottom of the grade is happening to fast

You need a longer shallower transition so the couplings can't ride up high enough to go over the top.

you will need to watch for the same problem in the same direction at the top as well.

regards John

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It's me again!

I'll pop some pictures up this afternoon,

 

The weather has been so poor I've not managed to dig out all the track I needed (which was minimal anyway)

I've managed to complete the circuits and my trusty Railfreight 37 at first stalled around but after a few laps it ran sweetly over all lines.

 

I need to get some fluids to clean the track properly all the way round but I'm happy that it all seems to be working ok!

 

With regards to the upper level, I might make it a small shunting yard. I've been tempted by one of the Hornby Sentinels and that would work quite well I think as a small goods yard.

 

I don't intend to have a set 'period of time' but most of my stock is modern image so, perhaps a small wagon works would look good.

 

 

Regards,

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Hi 60maniac

Well if you have a sentinel steam or diesel Both  are manufactured and nice little loco's they are to heavy and slow running.

May I be bold and suggest exchange sidings as a possibility with the factory road disappearing behind a view block bank to hidden siding or sidings

With a couple or so of different factory chimneys  maybe a tall industrial water tower as well sticking up.

You now have Multiple Consolidated Industries some where anything can be shunted into (because they make everything its a big industrial estate!! )lol:D,

The bank needs to be just high enough that from normal viewing angle you can't see over it or the base of the chimneys and or water tower bases 

It is handy if chimneys are different heights for visual effect.

Just a thought.

regards John

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Hi 60maniac

Well if you have a sentinel steam or diesel Both  are manufactured and nice little loco's they are to heavy and slow running.

May I be bold and suggest exchange sidings as a possibility with the factory road disappearing behind a view block bank to hidden siding or sidings

With a couple or so of different factory chimneys  maybe a tall industrial water tower as well sticking up.

You now have Multiple Consolidated Industries some where anything can be shunted into (because they make everything its a big industrial estate!! )lol:D,

The bank needs to be just high enough that from normal viewing angle you can't see over it or the base of the chimneys and or water tower bases 

It is handy if chimneys are different heights for visual effect.

Just a thought.

regards John

Thanks for you comments! Certainly got my brain buzzing away!

 

Apologies for lack of photos, been rather busy week! Will pop them up as soon as I can :) 

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Merry Christmas everyone!

 

Finally got round to uploading those pics to Flickr...

 

Planted some overheads and I think it creates a nice atmosphere! 

 

Obviously needs a clean up with the hoover but otherwise all is well! 

 

Fettled with the track plan ever so slightly just to allow smoother running over.

 

I've been waiting for the blasted rain to stop so I can move some boxes around and get some pointwork out/put some back but it's been relentless! 

The ramp on the left is only there because I don't currently have a safe place to hide it! 

 

The back board will have as suggested a small industrial park.

 

Finally managed to get a Sentinel and chip so that will go nicely I reckon!

 

 

Thanks again!

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